RW SF: Jack Hallows vs Virbius (Virb Wins)

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Set to be a classic if both show up at their best, the 2 remaining undefeated battlers in the RW tournament, @Jack Hallows & @Virbius , finally come face to face fighting to take this huge semi. The winner will proceed to the final with 2 lives left, with the loser proceeding to battle the victor of the mal diction & FaqEyeReddit match.
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Semi Final
Serious shit

Bars due Tuesday 8th April
Voting ends Saturday 12th April
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MV’s vote = 2 pts

Bag's vote = 2 pts

Each public vote = 1 pt

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Post your references so you don't get jerked

No extensions & absolutely no sportsmanship

check. i’ll probably drop 16 but if you post first i’ll match whatever.

Bag had to confirm your ethnicity, lest you vent and fume. you wanna snuggle EyeDealIstic, get a room…
You’ve got a childish race fixation, let’s assume, yo, you wanna run with Egg and spoon.

Why lie, you’re a nice guy but might die in pain though, tell me it ain’t so…
Whether you take an L or the W, either way bro, I’mma take both and leave Hallow a halo.
Yeah this a battle ground, if the blade stays sharp, fuck it, I’mma bring the hatchet down…
Jack’s Hallows? damn profound… initial thought, taking out JH… if the axe allows.
And if not I’ll steal his submachine gun and get mad shooty, dump his corpse off a bridge and the act suits me…
If it gets heated… then a body in the water… gon take Jack uzi.

You had Bag confirm your race and that’s facts… I said I’d dump your corpse off a bridge, did you catch that?
I was gonna write an anagram bar but that’s damn wack: ‘Hallows, more like shallow’ Hal… oh is Jack black?
I’ll get the nine, the two two, the fo’ fo’, and… nah, scratch that…
Can’t decide whether to sever his wrist with axe hacks, or land a couple more punches first like *smack! smack!*… should I keep the hand or hit again? oh you’re black Jack?

Explanations:
He’s desperate to let us all know he’s black, and he wants to spoon with EyeDeal aka Egg. He’s got a childish race obsession and Egg & Spoon is a childish race.
Hallow, take an l and the w, Halo.
Initial thought, name initials, take out JH, Jack’s minus the J is ack’s (axe) and Hallows minus the H is allows.
Jack uzi / jacuzzi.
Shallow, anagram of Hallows. dump his body in shallow water. Shallow Hal is a Jack Black film. And Jack’s black, as we’re all aware.
Nine, two two, four four, names of guns. 9 + 2 + 2 + 4 + 4 hand of cards adding up to 21. Stick with the hand or hit again, choice in blackjack game.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Slayerr.

Now it don’t matter if you’re black or white jack son, coz we just know u as a peado

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Quote:

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Originally Posted by Virbius

Nonce pacific / non-specific. Nonce is uk slang for a pedo

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i don’t believe in coincidences..

Prince Andrew had ties to Epstein. Jimmy Savile was knighted by the Queen
peel the curtain back there’s something not quite right behind the scenes
the fuck is up with all the pedo talk? is it a tragic obsession?
Virb only buys Dell but i bet we’d find ASUS laptop amongst this faggot’s possessions

ayo…

when i murder this twit, i’ll surgery stitch with unnerving wit
coroner’ll inter this bitch w/ 2 dog heads attached to ‘is neck… it’s a Cerberus
parents come home like “where’s dear Clementine & Ulf.. where’s lil Virbius?”
they’ll find that i Worked ‘im Stiff: got him a shift switch to the Firmament
heard of Brit’ish dentistry? all horror stories. it’s a sickening brief, b
hits Virb’s sentiment deeply…
this nigga has none of his own so that’s why he’s always raising a hek outta pickin on teafy
legitimate speech: streets in old UK were lined with dung flung from Brit homes
not much has changed with the times cuz we’re still seeing pure shit get dumped from this Brit bitch’s Windows™
niggas ever wonder why we could never get him booked on a track??

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Virbius

Hey you can spray tecs, I’m looking down on you from the apex like a sniper scope on a raised deck…

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cuz if he EVER tried to say THIS shit over a beat??

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Virbiuth

Hey you can thpray tecth, I’m looking down on you from the apekth like a thniper thcope on a raithed deck…

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that wack shit would come out LOOKIN LIKE THAT ^^^^^
ME?! shook of this cat?? weak virgin’s never used his penis fer thirstin
we know now why ur called Virb, cuz women always deNounce Place’n her Thing on yer Person.
silence! enemies peel & he squeal to the pigs like a chump;
even your name confirms it: Violence Instantly Reveals Bitch In U Son…
Howl at me…



Reference guide:

1.) Jeffrey Epstein & Jimmy Savile were both notorious long term underage sex predators who had tied British royalty

2.) ASUS is a brand of laptop, also meant to mean “A sus laptop” as in suspicious.

3.) Cerberus is a 3 headed dog in Greek mythology

4.) nigga dogs names are Clementine & Ulf lol

5.) Firmament - in biblical cosmology, the firmament is a structure above earth that separates this plane of existence from the heavenly realm. in the US, a the term “Firm” is synonymous with “company”. i’m saying i worked him stiff/dead/taxidermied. sent him to the firm i meant.

6.) Brit’s are stereotyped as having really bad teeth/oral hygiene lol

7.) Brit’s also used to dump their shit out of their windows lmfao

8.) during the audio phase of the tourney Virb said it only did text, no audio

9.) a noun is a person, place or thing.

QUOTE=Virbius;8996536]Bag had to confirm your ethnicity, lest you vent and fume. you wanna snuggle EyeDealIstic, get a room…
You’ve got a childish race fixation, let’s assume, yo, you wanna run with Egg and spoon.
Childish race fixation was dope could’ve been a fire bar if you’d found another way to link egg and spoon in the set up to tie it in tighter
Why lie, you’re a nice guy but might die in pain though, tell me it ain’t so…
Whether you take an L or the W, either way bro, I’mma take both and leave Hallow a halo.
How you keep coming up with fresh name flips and the fact they get more clever every time outstands me
Yeah this a battle ground, if the blade stays sharp, fuck it, I’mma bring the hatchet down…
Jack’s Hallows? damn profound… initial thought, taking out JH… if the axe allows.
Can’t work out if this is fire or doesn’t work you set it up very well regardless
And if not I’ll steal his submachine gun and get mad shooty, dump his corpse off a bridge and the act suits me…
If it gets heated… then a body in the water… gon take Jack uzi.
Pretty dope

You had Bag confirm your race and that’s facts… I said I’d dump your corpse off a bridge, did you catch that?
I was gonna write an anagram bar but that’s damn wack: ‘Hallows, more like shallow’ Hal… oh is Jack black?
I’ll get the nine, the two two, the fo’ fo’, and… nah, scratch that…
Can’t decide whether to sever his wrist with axe hacks, or land a couple more punches first like *smack! smack!*… should I keep the hand or hit again? oh you’re black Jack?
[B]This got a bit too messy for me[/B.[/QUOTE]

Vs

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Jack Hallows

i don’t believe in coincidences..

Prince Andrew had ties to Epstein. Jimmy Savile was knighted by the Queen
peel the curtain back there’s something not quite right behind the scenes
the fuck is up with all the pedo talk? is it a tragic obsession?
Virb only buys Dell but i bet we’d find ASUS laptop amongst this faggot’s possessions
Take the queens name out your mouth before I cut it out! Set up was nice and tired it all in ASUs laptop was slick

ayo…

when i murder this twit, i’ll surgery stitch with unnerving wit
coroner’ll inter this bitch w/ 2 dog heads attached to ‘is neck… it’s a Cerberus
parents come home like “where’s dear Clementine & Ulf.. where’s lil Virbius?”
they’ll find that i Worked ‘im Stiff: got him a shift switch to the Firmament
This might be on me as I needed the expos for like every reference I found this a bit hard to follow, sorry if I’m being a retard and that’s gone against a sick bar but also gotta write to your audience - I’d expect faqs super computer brain will think this is dope
heard of Brit’ish dentistry? all horror stories. it’s a sickening brief, b
hits Virb’s sentiment deeply…
this nigga has none of his own so that’s why he’s always raising a hek outta pickin on teafy
Not bad, liked the rhyme scheme
legitimate speech: streets in old UK were lined with dung flung from Brit homes
not much has changed with the times cuz we’re still seeing pure shit get dumped from this Brit bitch’s Windows™
Damn this was fire, windows wordplay is so fucking simple and was probably played decades ago but the fact I haven’t seen it in time makes it fresh again and what a set up/flip
niggas ever wonder why we could never get him booked on a track??




cuz if he EVER tried to say THIS shit over a beat??



that wack shit would come out LOOKIN LIKE THAT ^^^^^
ME?! shook of this cat?? weak virgin’s never used his penis fer thirstin
we know now why ur called Virb, cuz women always deNounce Place’n her Thing on yer Person.
Pretty good attempt, brave too coz denounce is one of those I’d imagine you weren’t quite sure if it was gonna work or not and I respect the risk taking, I think it is a little forced but rate the concept I’ve tried thinking of a way to use it against him before and you actually executed pretty well so only have props for that
silence! enemies peel & he squeal to the pigs like a chump;
even your name confirms it: Violence Instantly Reveals Bitch In U Son…
Howl at me…
Not usually a fan of acronym name flips but I think it was direct and impactful here, probably coz virb is a bitch

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Fucking hell this battle was pure fire, I was a bit pissed off when I saw how long it was but honestly not a line in here was a waste of my time reading. I wish this battle was an exhibition because I genuinly hate having to say one of you lost when you both came with some of the sickest stuff I’ve seen on here in a long long time. To top it off both of your writing was incredibly polished and full of multies and flow and no content was sacrificed for the sake of a rhyme.

This is so hard to vote on, after that breakdown I thought virb might’ve edged it but reread them as whole verses and think jacks might be better.

So third time here and I really wish I could be a little fence sitting bitch and vote a draw I’ve said jacks bit that was too much going on and I didn’t follow could possibly cost him coz it was a longish period of his verse, but then reread virbs closer that I didn’t like and was too messy and it was just as long a period so that canceled each other out.


After 3 reads through I’m still torn - tried to find a lotb but failed to pick one above. I liked jacks windows and jack uzi equally.


Honestly I’ve read both 5 times now and still can’t decide I’m gonna have to do it

V/draw

Assuming you both showed up & it was as close as expected I'm bout to nit-pick the fuck out these verses to reach a conclusion

Bag had to confirm your ethnicity, lest you vent and fume.liking the "lest you", eloquent start you wanna snuggle EyeDealIstic, get a room…
You’ve got a childish race fixation, let’s assume, yo, you wanna run with Egg and spoon. 'arrrd, although I take egg & spoon racing quite seriously the bar is dope, it's a triple with the cockney rhyming slang too

Why lie, you’re a nice guy but might die in pain though, tell me it ain’t so…
Whether you take an L or the W, either way bro, I’mma take both and leave Hallow a halo. the set up seemed a bit rushed but the originality & thought put into the nameflip made it land well
Yeah this a battle ground, if the blade stays sharp, fuck it, I’mma bring the hatchet down…
Jack’s Hallows? damn profound… initial thought, taking out JH… if the axe allows.I've got mixed feelings on this but only because it wouldn't work in a non text battle setting, within the realm of text battling it's super technical & nicely executed
And if not I’ll steal his submachine gun and get mad shooty,lol dump his corpse off a bridge and the act suits me…
If it gets heated… then a body in the water… gon take Jack uzi. gets heated / body in the water / jacuzzi is fire, really reaching to find flaws; the sequence of events ending with "gon take Jack uzi" could've been a little cleaner but it doesn't really work without it being in that order

You had Bag confirm your race and that’s facts…facts I said I’d dump your corpse off a bridge, did you catch that?
I was gonna write an anagram bar but that’s damn wack: ‘Hallows, more like shallow’ Hal… oh is Jack black? The jack black / shallow hal link tied in with the well set up anagram concept is some clever shit, it doesn't feel like the bar is attacking Jack but the penmanship is ridiculous
I’ll get the nine, the two two, the fo’ fo’, and… nah, scratch that…
Can’t decide whether to sever his wrist with axe hacks, or land a couple more punches first like *smack! smack!*… should I keep the hand or hit again? oh you’re black Jack? same again man, not the most attacking angle but otherwise top level technical shit & the 5 card 21 is a nice touch too

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Prince Andrew had ties to Epstein. Jimmy Savile was knighted by the Queen,
peel the curtain back there’s something not quite right behind the scenes, It's true, the queen had a tramp stamp of a baby & the words "sexus eos, comedunt eos"
the fuck is up with all the pedo talk? is it a tragic obsession?
Virb only buys Dell but i bet we’d find ASUS laptop amongst this faggot’s possessions you could use this as a textbook example to show someone how to create angles & paint a narrative in battling, the factual basis for the pedo claim is non existent & the ASUS wordplay alone isn't anything radical but when it's all pieced together creatively like this it works really well, set the scene effectively too

ayo…

when i murder this twit,hahaa yes i’ll surgery stitch with unnerving wit
coroner’ll inter this bitch w/ 2 dog heads attached to ‘is neck… it’s a Cerberus murder this twit is a god tier set up, props, being picky I'm 99% sure Cerberus had 3 heads
parents come home like “where’s dear Clementine & Ulf.. where’s lil Virbius?”
they’ll find that i Worked ‘im Stiff||: got him a shift switch to the Firmament solid wordplay, worked him stiff was crazy tho haha
heard of Brit’ish dentistry? all horror stories. it’s a sickening brief, b
hits Virb’s sentiment deeply…
this nigga has none of his own so that’s why he’s always raising a hek outta pickin on teafy ite ite
legitimate speech: streets in old UK were lined with dung flung from Brit homes
not much has changed with the times cuz we’re still seeing pure shit get dumped from this Brit bitch’s Windows™lol the ™, don't see many fresh british angles so props on this one
niggas ever wonder why we could never get him booked on a track??

Quote Originally Posted by Virbius View Post
Hey you can spray tecs, I’m looking down on you from the apex like a sniper scope on a raised deck…

cuz if he EVER tried to say THIS shit over a beat??

Quote Originally Posted by Virbiuth
Hey you can thpray tecth, I’m looking down on you from the apekth like a thniper thcope on a raithed deck…
that wack shit would come out LOOKIN LIKE THAT ^^^^^ Not feelin the lisp concept, it doesn't feel like it ties to anything, although the thought process of how you got to that is pretty joke. The not getting him on a track angle was lookin promising too
ME?! shook of this cat?? weak virgin’s never used his penis fer thirstin
we know now why ur called Virb, cuz women always deNounce Place’n her Thing on yer Person. how you go from that lisp shit to this haha this is one of the best executed virb/verb name flips I've seen, respect
silence! enemies peel & he squeal to the pigs like a chump;
even your name confirms it: Violence Instantly Reveals Bitch In U Son… you actually reached the limit before these last 2 lines so to keep it fair I'm leaving them out, never been a fan of the acronymous name approach so it probs works in your favour anyway haha

Ah fuck I knew this would be close & a ball ache to judge. Yo @MV

Had to point-score this one, which is a first, so props to both battlers. It's gonna be easier to note the detrimental aspects of both verses because both did more things well than shit but I'll throw some positives in too.
Virb's biggest drawback was the closing lines in the verse, it all came across as cleverly crafted but the angle didn't work for me and felt like it took a lot out of what would have been a great finisher. The rest of the verse was solid, historically I've seen people not fuckin with the intricate stuff because it slows down the momentum of the punch for them but I go the other way || got to respect the work that goes into it or what are we doing here?
Jack's lisp bar was a rare complete miss for me, the verse overall had a bipolar vibe where the decent bars were bangin, especially that virb nameflip at the end & the piecing together of the opening - both done like a true vet, but the dips were quite severe too. It felt a bit like it had been written by a teacher and student if that makes sense.
Not gonna be surprised if it goes either way with the other votes. The scoring system I used was pretty basic, add points if it's good, knock em off if it's shit, ended up with it at 44-42 to Virb which seemed to be as a result of consistency but obviously only by a little bit. Still, props to Virb, props to Jack, if you get your chance at revenge this is deffo a rematch I'd like to see.
Vote Virb

Dope battle. Nice to see two of the dopest cats on here going head to head.
After reading both verses through I think it's super close, with maybe a slight edge to Virb, which I think is probably mostly based on stylistic preference. I think I'll have an answer after a deeper analysis, though.
So here goes:

Bag had to confirm your ethnicity, lest you vent and fume. you wanna snuggle EyeDealIstic, get a room…
You’ve got a childish race fixation, let’s assume, yo, you wanna run with Egg and spoon.
First of all, "vent and fume" is a dope setup. And I think it's pretty dope how you are tieing two ideas, or actually two seemingly unrelated setup bars, together into one punch. "Childish race fixation" is almost like the "punchline" from the "vent and fume" setup, but acts as a logical part conclusion that then becomes a futher setup for the main punch.
The punch by itself is also great, for several reasons: 1) It uses the guy's avatar creatively in a way that everyone here understands, and 2) to me, at least, the egg and spoon race is a metaphor of intelligence: The egg is a common symbol of the head, and balancing it while speeding is kind of what intelligence is. And I guess 3) it also has a self-referential quality, because the way you are very logically building up the setup-punch structure presupposes a certain balancing.
This is ofc on top of the more basic, but dope and totally sense-making 4) double entendre, and 5) dissing Jack for being childish, based on your characterisation of him as following Egg around the board (which I, from his prior engagements with Knox, assume to be plausible).

Why lie, you’re a nice guy but might die in pain though, tell me it ain’t so…
Whether you take an L or the W, either way bro, I’mma take both and leave Hallow a halo.
In the interest of time, I can't be as thorough all the way through: The setup line rhymes brilliantly, but the added clause messes up the flow, cuz it "goes over the bar line".
The punchline has quite a bit of grace to it because of it's (ironic) humility. It kind of reminds me of Rone's beautiful humbleness towards Pat Stay in the compliment battle, which obliterated Pat for the same reason.

Yeah this a battle ground, if the blade stays sharp, fuck it, I’mma bring the hatchet down…
Jack’s Hallows? damn profound… initial thought, taking out JH… if the axe allows.
Setup line: Not feeling it. Too messy.
Punchline: Also way too messy and unexplained. I'm not mad at the idea, which I think is good. But "initial thought" does not cut it to explain that you're taking about initials, for instance. So execution could have been better.

And if not I’ll steal his submachine gun and get mad shooty, dump his corpse off a bridge and the act suits me…
If it gets heated… then a body in the water… gon take Jack uzi.
Here I feel like it's going off track. Mad shooty /act suits me seems a little too rhymy-rhymy for me. And I think "Jack uzi" is too weak to stand alone as a word association punch. It would need some further grounds to work. And also, I don't know if you say "I'll take jacuzzi" in English, but it sounds off. I would go in the jacuzzi or at least take A jacuzzi. So it doesn't quite flow off the tongue or work on the figurative level, imo.

You had Bag confirm your race and that’s facts… I said I’d dump your corpse off a bridge, did you catch that?
I was gonna write an anagram bar but that’s damn wack: ‘Hallows, more like shallow’ Hal… oh is Jack black?
Here we are just getting a lot of reiteration, nothing new. Even with the Hallows/shallow bar, which you did before - but I got some help from the explanation here, because I didn't know the Shallow Hal movie (looking it up now: The Danish title was different). So I'll give props for the remix here. Also: In a "real" battle rap context, there are often many punches on the same concept, so I think it would totally fly like that. Which btw reminds me that I think you often write the most true to what actual battles sound like, both flow-wise and with the creative acting out of certain ideas, etc.

I’ll get the nine, the two two, the fo’ fo’, and… nah, scratch that…
Can’t decide whether to sever his wrist with axe hacks, or land a couple more punches first like *smack! smack!*… should I keep the hand or hit again? oh you’re black Jack?
Case in point: The two two, fo' fo' types of rhymes that would go down well in audio/on video.
The black Jack idea is good imo, but I think that punch should have come immediately after the numbers, because then we would make the connection in our minds instantly. When you put in a bunch of filler lines between the setup and the punch, it doesn't have the same impact as it would have had without.
Overall: Great verse with many dope ideas. I hope I don't seem too harsh in my critique; that's basically only because I'm doing it like this and going through it all to be able to judge better.

Okay, now Jack.

i don’t believe in coincidences..
First off, this intro confused me. I thought it might be one of those "Virb's running two accounts" things, where you're claiming that Slayerr is actually Virb. But yeah, guess it was about brits. Refencing quotes for context is cool, but the Slayerr quote in a Virb battle threw me off a bit.

Prince Andrew had ties to Epstein. Jimmy Savile was knighted by the Queen
peel the curtain back there’s something not quite right behind the scenes
Okay, here, so far, we get that it's about British pedophelia. I think the references are super on point, but both these first lines are setups, so we're still waiting for a punch, so it's not the most forceful way to start out.

the fuck is up with all the pedo talk? is it a tragic obsession?
Virb only buys Dell but i bet we’d find ASUS laptop amongst this faggot’s possessions
A sus laptop. Punch was great, when it finally arrived. Also indirectly connoting the fact that you're doing all this on a phone, which adds to the overall impressiveness.

ayo…

when i murder this twit, i’ll surgery stitch with unnerving wit
coroner’ll inter this bitch w/ 2 dog heads attached to ‘is neck… it’s a Cerberus
I'm feeling the flow here. But the punchline rhyme should really have been Cerberus's to fit with the rhyme scheme. The idea with the dog heads is great, though, especially considering the next line.

parents come home like “where’s dear Clementine & Ulf.. where’s lil Virbius?”
they’ll find that i Worked ‘im Stiff: got him a shift switch to the Firmament
The fact that the Cerberus bar was a "personal" (lol) against Virb and his real life dogs is crazy, imo. I think the introduction to his dogs should have gone prior, though, and been more spelled out (cuz I, e.g., had forgotten everything about the names of his dogs).
The second line, I didn't quite get. I think you should have made it more clear that you were denotatively saying "Firm-I-meant". Sending someone to the firmament is ill, though. Almost like the infirmary, but more epic.

heard of Brit’ish dentistry? all horror stories. it’s a sickening brief, b
hits Virb’s sentiment deeply…
this nigga has none of his own so that’s why he’s always raising a hek outta pickin on teafy
Flow-wise, the second line also goes over the bar line here. Punchline was good. The biggest topic on the 3rd season of White Lotus was the British girl's teaf, so yeah ... must be genetic.

legitimate speech: streets in old UK were lined with dung flung from Brit homes
not much has changed with the times cuz we’re still seeing pure shit get dumped from this Brit bitch’s Windows™
Legitimate speech had me ROFL. Super crazy British fact that I had no idea of either, lol. Punchline was crazy in connection with that "damn, where is this going?" setup. The TM tops it off too.

niggas ever wonder why we could never get him booked on a track??

Quote Originally Posted by Virbius View Post
Hey you can spray tecs, I’m looking down on you from the apex like a sniper scope on a raised deck…

cuz if he EVER tried to say THIS shit over a beat??

Quote Originally Posted by Virbiuth
Hey you can thpray tecth, I’m looking down on you from the apekth like a thniper thcope on a raithed deck…
that wack shit would come out LOOKIN LIKE THAT ^^^^^
For me, this was dope. Except for the fact that you stopped rhyming for a minute there, lol. But calling Virb out for not audio battling is a huge plus. And the whole lithp thpelling Virbiuth idea is really dope and creative, imo.

ME?! shook of this cat?? weak virgin’s never used his penis fer thirstin
we know now why ur called Virb, cuz women always deNounce Place’n her Thing on yer Person.
I think the actual wording of this is dope. "Denounce placing her thing on your person". Dope way to say it. But that explanation with the noun made absolutely no sense to me. Maybe if you had put something about grammer in the setup, but otherwise, we can't just mention random facts in capital letters and call it bars, imo.

silence! enemies peel & he squeal to the pigs like a chump;
even your name confirms it: Violence Instantly Reveals Bitch In U Son…
Howl at me…
An acronym to end it felt like a solid, good throwback kind of bar. Got some old school hip hop retro vibes, which is always good.

Generally, after reviewing a bit more in depth, I think I'll give it to Virbius. Jack had a way free'er, creative point of entrance to the whole battle, with all the quotes and rewrites and stuff, and there were also some real bangers and rofl moments in there. But I think I was just vibing more with Virb's lines. Or maybe saying it differently, that Virb's best bars were better than Jack's best bars. But now I'm even doubting again.. Nah, wait. Virb was generally more consistent, and I thought it was better written in general. There's always a clarity and a logic and a good flow to most of his bars. But definitely a dope battle overall.

Gonna zip this one up, @Slayerr. @TheShaman appreciate the breakdowns